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I hate that we highjacked Athan's thread, because it was an interesting concept.
So to help keep it on focus, I'll start this thread which is at the center of most debates.
I ask that everyone give their opinion of the top alliances heading into wonders. You can consider their performance in wonders as a part of your evaluation, but keep the groups separate. In my opinion the top groups include: KOD/OB, KT, TBA/TBD/APOC, JG, Rat, and IA. Those are the 6 groups that competed for wonders. Heres my ranking of them and a brief analysis why. No need to show my entire hand just yet.
1. KOD/OB
- There are 2 factors in why KOD/OB takes my top spot. The first is that while they did rotate, they completed 3 wonders whereas every other group only completed one. The other reason is their resiliency. This group was down and out early, but played a solid world overall. The fact that KT decided to turn on TBD helped them out greatly, but they were already holding their own.
2. KT
- Maybe theres some bias here.. maybe. KT was 1 of the only groups not to rotate and they still completed a wonder. Additionally, once they turned on TBD they completed flipped the world upside down. The numbers speak for themselves, and the war between the 2 was completely lopsided. KT caused the fall of the top alliance and their 2 other top 5 allies. The only knock against them was that they used the safety of the rim and were never really test. But thats not entirely their fault.
3. TBA/TBD/Apoc
- The main reason I rank this group 3rd is because they sold out. They merged and rotated the most for wonders as 3 full alliances. Yet they only completed 1. Thats as many and Koopas and Rational. Additionally, they lost the biggest war of the server. Thats not blaming the group still in the world today. That mostly falls on the all those that abandoned the world when things got tough. Remember this is an evaluation of an alliance as a whole. Not individual players. There are some great ones in TBA, but the fact that so many up and left leaves this group greatly underachieving.
4. IA
- IA completed a wonder. Though it took them rotating 3 alliances to do it. Once made up of DV and IF, by themselves they would have failed. So kudos for being able to use the diplo to come together and compete in this world. The group took a beating all world, but other alliances were unable to finish them off. While no impressive fighters, this group gets points for resiliency.
5a. Rational
- I have the last 2 groups in a tie for 5th. While both have played sidekicks for most of the server, Rational was at least in a war with a top group at the time in LOD. Their stats arent great but unlike JG they were able to complete a wonder. Thats why if anything they do hold a slight edge. Also unlike JG they took the brunt of the attacks from a top alliance. TBA for some reason or another refused to hit KT or KOD. They were more focused on cleaning out 55. That meant Rational would get hit the hardest. Despite that, they competed in the end for wonders
5b. JG
-I stand by my comments about JG being the joke of the server. Bayou, Jaymus, and Leaf will get on here and tell you what great fighters they are, and they dont play the diplo game... all that jazz. The truth remains that this group never when head on with any top fighting alliance. They picked at IA and their internals. And when TBA ran an OP they would attack at the same time. Their war with KOD/OB is about even.. but the numbers are lack luster, showing that neither group really was in an all out war with each other. So despite the solid stats and great core group of players, what has this group accomplished? Their biggest penalty is for not completing a wonder. As I've said before, they played a solid world, but they were far from a top group.
So to help keep it on focus, I'll start this thread which is at the center of most debates.
I ask that everyone give their opinion of the top alliances heading into wonders. You can consider their performance in wonders as a part of your evaluation, but keep the groups separate. In my opinion the top groups include: KOD/OB, KT, TBA/TBD/APOC, JG, Rat, and IA. Those are the 6 groups that competed for wonders. Heres my ranking of them and a brief analysis why. No need to show my entire hand just yet.
1. KOD/OB
- There are 2 factors in why KOD/OB takes my top spot. The first is that while they did rotate, they completed 3 wonders whereas every other group only completed one. The other reason is their resiliency. This group was down and out early, but played a solid world overall. The fact that KT decided to turn on TBD helped them out greatly, but they were already holding their own.
2. KT
- Maybe theres some bias here.. maybe. KT was 1 of the only groups not to rotate and they still completed a wonder. Additionally, once they turned on TBD they completed flipped the world upside down. The numbers speak for themselves, and the war between the 2 was completely lopsided. KT caused the fall of the top alliance and their 2 other top 5 allies. The only knock against them was that they used the safety of the rim and were never really test. But thats not entirely their fault.
3. TBA/TBD/Apoc
- The main reason I rank this group 3rd is because they sold out. They merged and rotated the most for wonders as 3 full alliances. Yet they only completed 1. Thats as many and Koopas and Rational. Additionally, they lost the biggest war of the server. Thats not blaming the group still in the world today. That mostly falls on the all those that abandoned the world when things got tough. Remember this is an evaluation of an alliance as a whole. Not individual players. There are some great ones in TBA, but the fact that so many up and left leaves this group greatly underachieving.
4. IA
- IA completed a wonder. Though it took them rotating 3 alliances to do it. Once made up of DV and IF, by themselves they would have failed. So kudos for being able to use the diplo to come together and compete in this world. The group took a beating all world, but other alliances were unable to finish them off. While no impressive fighters, this group gets points for resiliency.
5a. Rational
- I have the last 2 groups in a tie for 5th. While both have played sidekicks for most of the server, Rational was at least in a war with a top group at the time in LOD. Their stats arent great but unlike JG they were able to complete a wonder. Thats why if anything they do hold a slight edge. Also unlike JG they took the brunt of the attacks from a top alliance. TBA for some reason or another refused to hit KT or KOD. They were more focused on cleaning out 55. That meant Rational would get hit the hardest. Despite that, they competed in the end for wonders
5b. JG
-I stand by my comments about JG being the joke of the server. Bayou, Jaymus, and Leaf will get on here and tell you what great fighters they are, and they dont play the diplo game... all that jazz. The truth remains that this group never when head on with any top fighting alliance. They picked at IA and their internals. And when TBA ran an OP they would attack at the same time. Their war with KOD/OB is about even.. but the numbers are lack luster, showing that neither group really was in an all out war with each other. So despite the solid stats and great core group of players, what has this group accomplished? Their biggest penalty is for not completing a wonder. As I've said before, they played a solid world, but they were far from a top group.
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